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Old 12-26-2011, 07:54 PM
Keitht Keitht is offline
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Let's get the facts in here.

Meaningful notes have been required for a long time. A list of 'Happy Christmas' in multiple languages does not constitute 'meaningful notes'.
A reminder was posted regarding notes and Christmas images on 23rd December.
The image in question was permitted remain on site until after Christmas Day when it could justifiably have been removed immediately.
The image was not deleted, it was moved to a holding area to give the member time to submit a Review Request. At the time the image was removed the member was sent an email giving the reason the image was removed. If a Review Request had been received we would simply have requested that a more meaningful note be added and I have no doubt that the image would then have been reinstated.
The member chose not to follow this route but instead to delete all their images from the site.
Other members who had images removed for the same reason have followed the normal process and submitted a Review Request. Those images will be reinstated as long as the member agrees to improve the note.

I would ask one simple question - "Who is the person acting unreasonably in this scenario?"
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Old 12-26-2011, 07:59 PM
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I agree with every word of pablominto.

Je suis d'accord avec chacun des mots de pablominto.
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Old 12-26-2011, 08:29 PM
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Default Mon avis.....

Qui vaut ce qu'il vaut.
Je suis sur TE depuis presque 8 ans, et comme je le constate au niveau de la plan鋈e enti鋨e, Trekearth suit la m瘱e courbe descendante. Pourquoi j'y reste, je l'ai dit, uniquement pour partager mes photos avec les amis fid鋩es du site et pour tenter de m'am幨iorer.
Je n'ai que faire des mod廨ateurs que je commence trouver trop inquisiteurs, trop imbus de leurs pouvoirs.

Jaap est un des grands du site, un des plus anciens, la direction du site a eu sa peau tout comme a eu celle de bien d'autres sympathiques personnes. J'ai eu un nombre 幨ev de photos supprim嶪s, tord ou a raison, mais souvent mon got.... tord. J'ai pest, j'ai quitt TE pendant 6 mois ou presque l'ann嶪 derni鋨e, et je me demande encore ce qui m'a pouss y revenir.

La joie et bonheur de partager ses photos est une chose qui d廨ange certains qui n'ont de plaisir qu' critiquer et censurer.

M瘱e nos interventions dans les forums finissent par 皻re montr嶪s du doigt. Il arrivera un temps o moi aussi, exc嶮, je quitterai ce site, envahi de publicit qui prennent tant矌 plus de ressources que les photos et les critiques elles-m瘱es.

Jaap 彋ait et restera un de mes grands amis, un de ceux par qui j'ai pu progresser, tant en observant ses photos, qu'en lisant attentivement ses critiques.

Je suis outr, abattu, d嶰ourag.

Beau cadeau de no螔 fait Jaap, il y en a qui manque vraiment de coeur, ils se reconna褾ront.
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Old 12-26-2011, 08:39 PM
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Pas mal de mes photos ont 彋 mises de c矌 pour plusieurs raisons, dont certaines mon got...douteuses.
J'ai souvent justifi le "pourquoi" du post. Combien de photos sont-elles r嶧pparues votre avis, suite cette 'dissimulation' provisoire?

Une seule, sans doute un jour de grande bont.
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Old 12-26-2011, 09:01 PM
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Moi aussi, il me font tristement sourire
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Old 12-26-2011, 09:19 PM
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Let's get the facts in here.

Meaningful notes have been required for a long time. A list of 'Happy Christmas' in multiple languages does not constitute 'meaningful notes'.
A reminder was posted regarding notes and Christmas images on 23rd December.
The image in question was permitted remain on site until after Christmas Day when it could justifiably have been removed immediately.
The image was not deleted, it was moved to a holding area to give the member time to submit a Review Request. At the time the image was removed the member was sent an email giving the reason the image was removed. If a Review Request had been received we would simply have requested that a more meaningful note be added and I have no doubt that the image would then have been reinstated.
The member chose not to follow this route but instead to delete all their images from the site.
Other members who had images removed for the same reason have followed the normal process and submitted a Review Request. Those images will be reinstated as long as the member agrees to improve the note.

I would ask one simple question - "Who is the person acting unreasonably in this scenario?"
Je soutiens Keith ici et voil la traduction de son message pour ceux qui ont des difficult廥 lire l'Anglais:


"L'importance des notes a d嶴 彋 discut嶪 de nombreuses fois. Beaucoup de membres demandent que les notes soient significatives et une liste de "Joyeux No螔" en plusieurs langues ne r廧ond pas ce crit鋨e.
Un rappel (annuel!) avait 彋 d嶴 彋 post sur le Forum "Annoucements".
Les images qui ne r廧ondaient pas aux r銶les du TOS ont 彋 laiss嶪s jusque apr鋊 le 25 d嶰embre alors qu'elles auraient pu 皻re enlev嶪s plus t矌. Ces images ne sont d'ailleurs pas "supprim嶪s" mais mises en attente d'une r廧onse par l'envoi d'une "Review Request" (demande de r憝ision) qui aurait permis de les replacer apr鋊 avoir chang les notes insuffisantes par des notes plus adapt嶪s au TOS. Jaap a choisi de supprimer toutes ses photos avant m瘱e d'avoir envoy une demande.

Les autres membres qui ont vu leurs images d廥activ嶪s pour les m瘱es raisons ont suivi le processus normal et ont pr廥ent une demande de r憝ision. Leurs images seront donc r彋ablies d鋊 que le membre s'engagera am幨iorer sa note."

Last edited by Porteplume; 12-26-2011 at 09:21 PM.
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Old 12-26-2011, 09:42 PM
jlbrthnn jlbrthnn is offline
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Default Rien n'est r廥olu, rien n'憝olue, tout empire

Et 蓷 va changer quoi d'essayer de se donner bonne conscience?
Ce seront toujours les m瘱es mesures rapides, extr鋗es, injustes et vexatoires, sans appel, contre des gens qui ne vous nuisent en aucun cas.
O est le crime?
On ne se saura bient矌 plus ce que l'on a le droit de faire, le droit de dire...
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Old 12-26-2011, 10:03 PM
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Thumbs down Not again...

I get the impression that some, even older, members deliberately push the limits into what's not allowed, just to have a justified reason to leave this site as a victim of the moderators. Loudly shouting about injustice.

If you trespassed the limits, at least have the dignity to accept the fact and, if you don't concur, leave in silence.

And those always laying in wait for something like this to occur - it's almost always the same ones - and using it as a reason to attack the moderators, have long ago lost their credibility. Over and over again...
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Old 12-27-2011, 03:26 AM
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Default Relevance of note....

I don't know who decided that learning how to say "Merry Christmas" in all languages is not meaningful and/or not conforming to TE guidelines.... but he or she, in my opinion, is wrong.
I am very interested with languages, they are a part of the world's diversity and one can learn a lot about humanity and the world by studying them, even just being exposed to a foreign language can be an enriching experience.
I even had added one language to Jaap's list, in Konkani language, spoken by the Christians of Goa in India, probably most of the members never even heard of it.
Jaap just came back, he is (was) a great member and this site needs more members like him, not less by pushing everybody out...

Je ne sais pas qui a d嶰id que d'apprendre dire "Joyeux No螔" dans toutes les langues n'est ni significatif ni en conformit avec les "lois" de TE.... mais, mon sens, il ou elle a tort.
Les langues font la diversit du monde et on peut en apprendre long sur l'humanit et le monde en les 彋udiant, le simple fait d'皻re expos une langue 彋rang鋨e peut 皻re une exp廨ience enrichissante.
J'avais m瘱e ajout une langue la liste de Jaap, le Konkani, la langue parl嶪 par les chr彋iens de Goa en Inde, et dont la plupart des membres n'ont probablement jamais entendu parler.
Jaap est (彋ait) un membre important et ce site a besoin de plus de membres comme lui, malheureusement les conditions ne semblent pas r徼nies pour un progr鋊 serein de TE....

Last edited by siolaw; 12-27-2011 at 03:54 AM.
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Old 12-27-2011, 05:04 AM
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I'd agree with 'siolaw'.

It is NOT in the Christmas spirit to be heavyhanded with moderating at Christmas time, particularly when some members have a limited grasp of English, & the warnings are thus difficult to understand. It reminds me of Scrooge, with his 'bah humbug', 'business as usual' attitude.

It also suggests excessive political correctness, in that limited, (if any) Christmas images are allowed.

My suggestion would be for both parties (Moderators & Carper/ Jaap) to have a cooling off period, and communicate in private at a later date about discussing reinstatement of all his images.

Without even having seen the image, I cannot comment if the note was excessively long, or a short 40 character description preceded it, as required in the TOS. Was this missing?

I've also noticed quite a few TE members who rarely upload images, almost never critique, contribute very little in forums, what few images they upload are very inferior, backslapping etc, yet they are quick to complain about other members who are a lot more active & CONTRIBUTE to TE regularly. ie 'tall poppy' syndrome, motivated perhaps by jealousy/self righteousness? The remarks of these members should be taken with a grain of salt by TE moderators & Admin imho, or at least weed out the unjustified parts of their complaints.

In closing, I would just advise both TE moderators & Admin to contact any so called 'offenders' in private first, before removing an image, rather than remove, then contact. Especially when that member is very active, has a large body of high quality work, & critiques frequently & meaningfully, thus contributing to TE, far more significantly, than any perceived detraction, by a very minor aberration, by that member. So when moderating, some perspective needs to be used, imho.

Last edited by ChrisJ; 12-27-2011 at 05:16 AM. Reason: Correction
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